- "As I've said before, I'm willing to take my efforts to my own website, if people really would rather I do that."
Vote YES: I would like PYK to "take [his] efforts to [his] own website" and leave the Tcl'ers wiki alone: editRLE: I vote YES.PL: I vote YES.[Anonymous]: I vote YES.
aprendiz: I vote NO.MS: I vote NOKroc: I vote NOSEH: NOJJM: I vote NO.bll: I vote NO.MDD:No[wheeldog]: No. If someone makes a contribution (in the literal sense) and you don't like it, either 1) ignore it or 2) state your objections in the discussion. But don't touch the code.
Vote STOP THE IDIOCY: The fighting and page editing/deletions compromise the integrity of this wiki as an authoritative resource and reduce it to babysitting. edit[TC]
Vote PEACE ON EARTH: editchw
Discussion editdbohdan 2015-12-31: The implicit assumption made above is that such matters can and should be decided by popular vote. Personally, I find it far from obvious why this is the case. It is especially questionable to call for a vote right after an attempt to resolve the conflict through violence (use of bots to coerce the other party to give up).I think what the wiki needs is, ultimately, a bit more of hands-on governance. That would first and foremost include rules for conflict resolution and someone to act as an arbiter who has the final word. (1) Then everyone who agrees to abide by the rules can stay and everyone who disagrees can fork the wiki or otherwise go and post elsewhere.(1) Now, that I would vote on (even though I'd rather see that person chosen by consensus).MS 2015-12-31: I like to believe that I am part of this community, have not formed an opinion, and would like to understand RLE's real beef with PYK - in this page, or in another one linked from here. From the description at PYK's page, I tend to believe that RLE is the one who has broken the house rules by removing pages wholesale ... with a robot??? Phrases like "do ... and it [your page] can stay" also show that RLE has a sense of ownership that is completely misplaced. Maybe it is RLE who should open "Curated Tcler's Wiki, by RLE", where he can insure his conditions are always met.That being said:
- I do not think we should EVER ask ANYBODY to leave this wiki.
- I strongly dislike PYK's 'space before a comma' style
LAM - 2016-01-01 23:36:43From http://wiki.tcl.tk/0 :«Since this site is collaboratively-edited, please feel free to to correct typos, edit code pages to improve code (make certain though that your changes are not breaking the code!), ask questions, add comments, and anything else you can think of! If you have pages that you don't want modified, feel free to host those on your own site and just add URLs here to them.»
RKzn 2016-01-02: I read often for some 2 or 3 years, but I have very few edits, so I'll refrain from a "formal" vote. But I like TCL and I like wikis and I like cooperation in general, so I'll give my opinion anyway.I think that YES PYK should leave the wiki *for a while*. PYK has made a lot of good edits, but has also made a few very very poor editing choices (pushing his unusual style, creating page connections out of the blue, refactoring everything has if he is the only one that knows what should be done, recently going on to reverting a page some hundred times! and creating a page just for him to own). Please, take a break, let other people breathe. The wiki existed before you, you do not have a life mission to save it, and the essence of a wiki his cooperation, if you edit too fast for others to keep up, it is no longer a wiki, it is not cooperation and it is your fault that it is not a cooperative effort, if you don't allow others to have the time and room to help. Again, as far as I am concerned, you are welcome, but take a few months break, and then come but slow down.RLE should also take a break. Don't go for good, but you also do not have to save the wiki single handedly. I am a regular editor on other (some way larger) wikis, and I also lost my temper a couple times. It is not worth it. But if you like it he, please, do come back, after cooling down (I did so already a couple times, elsewhere, and THAT works)I think the main issue is not PYK nor RLE. I think the very first opinion here - by dbohdan - nailed it. The absence of rules for conflict resolution is the problem here. I don't know of any human endeavour that lasted long in the absence of a minimal set of rules. It may work for a while, while there is few people that implicitly follow the same rules, but as a group grow you need some formal rules or it will collapse. One first step would be it being "captured" by one, or a few, individual that take the lead by force - yes, that what PYK is doing here, even if he actually does not intend to do that. When they get tired of their toy, or die, there is nothing to fill the void.I say TCL is too important as a language, and this wiki as a major source of help to new and not so new TCLers. I don't know who are the persons with the technical ability to impose measures, but they should be the first to step up and start some more organization. We don't need to become wikipedia (wikipedia is often too much even for the huge wiki it is :-) but we could learn a couple of things from them.Kevin Walzer Poor Yorick should not feel obligated in any way to pay this page any mind. This is not a fourth-grade clubhouse, folks. A contributor to the wiki cannot be voted off by the community, nor does any single member have the authority to ban the contributor.