Updated 2013-01-26 23:13:39 by ABU

ABU 26-jan-2005 - created

ABU 10-jun-2005 - Updated 2.1 -- also with tile support ! ... see below

Scrodget is a generic scrolled widget implemented with snit.

JH: Others may be interested in a snit-based widget set that I have been creating in tklib (the widget module [1]). You will also find it in ActiveTcl. It is designed to use tile throughout.

It is very similar to Bwidget::ScrolledWindow (with the added capability to place (automatic) scrollbars on top/bottom left/right.

Here is a sample:

Start page and download links at http://web.tiscali.it/irrational/tcl/scrodget-2.1/index.html

Remember that Tcl/Tk source script widgets can be submitted to tklib for more general distribution.

PWQ What if I want scroll bars on left and right?

ABU ??? It is a really unusual demand ... 1-feb-2005 Done.

Peter Newman 27 January 2005: Scrodget looks great. I use BWidgets ScrolledWindow a lot - but one thing that annoys me about it is that you can't turn auto-hiding off (and have either or both scrollbars fixed).

Scrodget fixes that. But it would be better if one could enable/disable autohiding, for the horizontal and vertical scrollbars, separately. Any chance of this?

Also PWQ's request for left AND/or right (and top AND/or bottom) is a bit unusual I agree. But a single Scrollbar Manager widget, that can be configured for every conceivable arrangement, would be very useful. And if you were able to do this, being able to enable/disable auto-hiding for the left, right, top and bottom scrollbars, individually, would IMHO be the best way to go.

ABU 1-feb-2005

Scrodget has been updated. First of all, you can download version 1.0.1 which solves some little BUGS.

Second, version 1.1 is available: it allows you to enable/disable autohiding, for the horizontal and vertical scrollbars, separately.

Third, version 2.0 allows you to enable 4 scrollbars (east/west/north/south).

  • Version 1.0.1 [2] (dead-link)
  • Version 1.1 [3] (dead-link)
  • Version 2.0 [4] (dead-link)
  • Version 2.1.1 [5]

Peter Newman 4 February 2005: Version 2 looks good. But I think you've got west and east mixed up. West is left and east is right; you have them the other way round. Specifying the scrollbar sides with news is an excellent idea. But why not specify the auto-hiding the same way?

ABU .. really a stupid error of mine.

Here is an On-fly patch : file "scrodget.tcl" replace
    typevariable GridIdx  -array {
       n { 0 1 }
       s { 2 1 }
       e { 1 0 }
       w { 1 2 }

    typevariable GridIdx  -array {
       n { 0 1 }
       s { 2 1 }
       w { 1 0 }
       e { 1 2 }

Peter Newman 5 February 2005: Thanks! I'd already found that. Your code is really excellent - and simple to follow/debug. And so far (after a few days testing,) seems totally bug-free (after the above fix). This is unlike the BWidget ScrolledWindow where the code is more obscure - and appears to have the following bugs:-

  • BWidget ScrolledWindow Auto-hiding Bug Sometimes you get a scrollbar - either with no slider at all - or with a say 95% slider that doesn't actually slide anything - even though the window contents DON'T seem to require a scrollbar.
  • The BWidgets ScrolledWindow supports the -borderwidth, -relief and -background options - but they rarely seem to work. The values of those same options that you specify for the widget you've wrapped the scrollbars around seem to be used instead. (I say rarely, because there's some strange interaction with the related options of the widget being managed - but I've never been able to figure out exactly what the rules are.)

These things are annoying. But the ScrolledWindow code is so obscure, that so far I've found it easier to live with them and/or work-around them, than to fix them.

The good thing with scrodget is that; not only is it more powerful, but it doesn't appear to have these (or any other) bugs. And even if some bugs are found, the code is quite straightforward, and easy to debug.

So if anyone's wondering; ScrolledWindow or scrodget? The answer is definitely scrodget.

LV So which of the Bwidget widgets will next be recoded?

Access To The Internal Widgets

Another excellent thing about scrodget is that you get access to the internal widgets - which makes it very easy to configure those widgets exactly as you want them.

Essentially, a scrodget is a 3x3 grid, like this:
      #  3 x 3 grid ;
        #  the central cell (1,1) is for the internal widget.
        #  +-----+-----+----+
        #  |     | n   |    |
        #  +-----+-----+----+
        #  | w   |inter| e  |
        #  +-----+-----+----+
        #  |     | s   |    |
        #  +-----+-----+----+
        # Cells e or w are for horizontal scrollbar
        # Cells n or s are for vertical   scrollbar
        #  Note that scrollbars may be hidden.

And you can configure/cget the internal widgets with:-
 pathName _component_ configure ...
 pathName _component_ cget ...

 where _component_ is one of the following:

Simply heaven for picky people who want total control of every pixel.

(Getting Rid Of) The Residual Single Line Grid

The only change I've made to ABU's code, is that he grids the internal widget and scrollbars with:-
 grid $internalW -in $win -padx 1 -pady 1 -row 1  -column 1  -sticky news
 grid $sb                 -padx 1 -pady 1 -row $r -column $c -sticky $sticky

which results in a 1 pixel line all around the grid - even if you set the internal and scrollbar widget -borderwidth and -padx/y etc options to zero .

I've changed that -padx/y to 0, ie:-
 grid $internalW -in $win -padx 0 -pady 0 -row 1  -column 1  -sticky news
 grid $sb                 -padx 0 -pady 0 -row $r -column $c -sticky $sticky

so that you don't get that 1 pixel line.

ABU 23-feb-2005

Scrodget has been updated (2.0.1). Many thanks to Peter for his precious comments.

Peter Newman 23 February 2005: Actually, another very useful enhancement to scrodget, would be to make the frame and scrollbar pathnames available - so that one can bind to them, or modify their bindings.

From inspection (of Scrodget version 2.0), the following applies:-
        # ------------------------------------------------------
        # For a `scrodget', the internal pathnames are:-
        # -- The scrodget widget itself - which is actually a
        #    frame that contains the scrollbars and the internal
        #    widget - where the frame's pathname is the same as
        #    that you assigned to the `scrodget'...
        # -- The scrollbars are then:-
        #       ${scrodgetPathname}.northScroll
        #       ${scrodgetPathname}.southScroll
        #       ${scrodgetPathname}.westScroll
        #       ${scrodgetPathname}.eastScroll
        # -- And the internal (managed) widget has whatever name
        #    you gave to the widget you `associated' with the
        #    scrodget.
        # So for example, if you go:-
        #       scrodget .myScrodget ;
        #       ...
        #       canvas .myCanvas ;
        #       ...
        #       .myScrodget associate .myCanvas ;
        # you end up with (potentially,) the following widgets:-
        #       .myScrodget             (`scrodget'/frame)
        #       .myScrodget.northScroll (scrollbar)
        #       .myScrodget.southScroll (scrollbar)
        #       .myScrodget.westScroll  (scrollbar)
        #       .myScrodget.eastScroll  (scrollbar)
        #       .myCanvas               (canvas)
        # ------------------------------------------------------

LV If the author would prefer not to be bound to these names, they could always provide some method of introspection so that one could query the widget to ask for the appropriate info.

ABU 5-apr-2005

I wish to repeat again what it is officially documented in [6] as clearly exposed by Peter:

If you need to query/configure the internal _components_ (the frame and the 4 scrollbars), you can make use of the the supported (official) _components_ names. These are:

  • frame
  • northScroll
  • southScroll
  • eastScroll
  • westScroll

Therefore, you can get/set ALL components properties using something like this:
   # get frame's -padx
  set padx [.myScrodget frame cget -padx]
   # set frame's -padx/y
  .myScrodget frame configure -padx 10 -pady 10
   # change North-scrollbar's width
  .myScrodget northScroll configure -width "3m"

If you need to query/configure the associated-widget (text/canvas/...any scrollable widget), you have total control, since it is not created 'within' scrodget, but it is a widget you've created before and then associated with scrodget.

ABU 10-jun-2005

Scrodget 2.1 is now available. This release allows you to use tile themes for an improved look&feel.

VK 26-may-2007 I've tried using snit scrolled together with ListBox from BWidget package, scrolling works okay but ListBox 1) do not send <<ListboxSelect>> anymore 2) <1> and selection do not work either. Anyone know this problem? TIA.

JOB scrodget converted to a pure TclOO megawidget, pls. see A Scrolled Widget implemented with TclOO. Might be a starting point for a pure TclOO set of mega-widgets. Comments and suggestions are welcome?

See also: